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The Democrats’ unwarranted partisan assault on the Electoral College by Miguel A. Faria, MD

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乐动体育APPUpdate: The assault on the Electoral college continues. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the Democratic Socialist from New York’s 14th Congressional District claims the Electoral College is a racist American relic that must be abolished:

It is well past time we eliminate the Electoral College, a shadow of slavery’s power on America today that undermines our nation as a democratic republic,' the 28-year-old Boston University graduate tweeted to her 881,000 followers Saturday afternoon." 乐动体育APPA month after the midterm election, former  Rep. John Dingell (D-MI; now deceased), also called for the abolishment of both the Electoral College and the Senate, claiming a “disproportionate influence of small states that paralyzes the lawmaking and electoral processes.

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Abolition or subversion of the Electoral College (as proposed by the Democrats and RINOs in the guise of the the National Popular Vote coalition) is a very dangerous proposition as cited in the article, "," UPI, June 13, 2019.   Yet the proposition is looming in the political horizon and most Americans are either not aware of it or do not seem to care. This is the conversion of our Republican form of government as written in our Constitution to a social (mass) democracy by eliminating the Electoral College and the power of the states. This would not only eliminate the balance of power between large and small states but between rural areas and urban areas, so that centers of large populations, such as LA, NY, and other large cities in Democratic centers of power, would dominate the country.

In previous articles I discussed the historic reasons for the inclusion of the Electoral College process in presidential elections, citing specific reasons the Founding Fathers, soon after gaining American independence from the British Empire and experiencing the deficiencies of the Articles of Confederation, finally framed a Constitutional Republic at the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia in 1787. The founders chose this form of government for the United States rather than a simple majoritarian democracy. As opposed to a mass democracy where a simple popular majority decides the law, the rights of citizens, and the election of all officials — in a Constitutional Republic, the deliberate rule of law is supreme, and the government is limited in scope and is subject to the doctrines of Limited Government, Separation of Powers, and Checks and Balances. In a Republic, the property of all, the human rights of unpopular minorities, and the are all protected, despite unjust, capricious, and sometimes the covetous vote of the majority of less-well-to-do citizens.

The Electoral College is one of those institutions of a republican form of government that protects the rights of all citizens to fair representation and participation in a presidential contest. The Electoral College (EC) allows all areas of the country to be fairly and more evenly Electoral College by counties 2016represented in presidential elections, preventing several clusters of heavily populated urban areas from dominating presidential elections.

In a more recent article, referring to the presidential election of Donald Trump in 2016, I described how four California counties could have decided unfairly and very detrimentally the presidential election for Hillary Clinton, if the popular vote solely had been the sine qua non for victory. Despite angry responses from many Democratic corners, the EC worked as it was intended, preventing four wayward counties from stealing the presidency.

The reason for returning to the subject of the EC is to describe the persistent efforts that are being made by demagogic Democratic operatives in a number of states to overthrow the Electoral College. This hatred for the EC is based on having sustained two crucial defeats by 2016 Electoral CollegeRepublican presidential candidates, including the 2016 presidential election in which Donald Trump triumphed, with a magnificently red electoral map, which as Dr. David Stolinsky points out, “you could drive from Key West, Florida, to Bonners Ferry, Idaho, a distance of 3193 miles, and never pass through a state carried by Hillary Clinton.”

乐动体育APPThe unruly behavior of Democratic activists, the irresponsible conduct, the inflammatory verbiage, and the contradictory behavior and oratory of the many demagogic Democrats after the Trump victory, as we shall see, attest to the fact that the Democrats would have praised the Electoral College to the skies, if only the reverse had taken place and Hillary had been elected president. Power for the Democrats was and remains everything.

But despite Trump's overwhelming victory, we witnessed the baseless complaints by sore losers and the expressed hypocrisy of many Democratic operatives urging presidential electors to violate their pledge and refuse to vote for Donald Trump, despite the democratically casted votes in those states and the wishes of their voters. In fact only two Electors reneged on their votes for Trump, while four did so for Hillary. Dr. Stolinsky attributes this attitude of the Democrats to “the colossal hubris, the unbounded egotism, that enables current leftists to try to thwart the will of Americans and undo the election.” This is the same narcissism that assures them that they can build a socialist paradise, where all the builders of communism in the 20th century failed, because they are smarter than us and more intelligent than the rest of the world.

And what is the next step in the left-wingers attempt to dismantle the Electoral College? According to , “More states consider working around the Electoral College.“ First of all, we must realize that the Associated Press, as part and parcel of the liberal mainstream media, when it refers in the biased statement to “more states…frustrated after seeing another candidate secure the presidency without winning the national popular vote,” mostly refers to heavily Democratic states that vote for the Democratic ticket election after election. Thus, “the frustration” and desperation in these particular states is neither universal nor unpredictable.

As the article points out, “The states that have already passed legislation to join the group represent 165 electoral votes. Typically reliably Democratic states, the list includes California, Hawaii, Illinois, Massachusetts, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington and D.C. — all states where Democrat Hillary Clinton defeated Republican Donald Trump.”

But this effort should not be ignored outright; ideologically-committed left-wing legislators from other states, including some key “swing” states such as Pennsylvania, Ohio, and New Mexico are unwisely and detrimentally to their states’ representation in the federal system, planning to introduce legislation to essentially abolish, all but in name, the Electoral College process. Already 11 states have joined the effort, which began in 2006 and is called the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (NPVIC). Why Pennsylvania, Ohio, Arizona, and New Mexico, among others, would join this Compact is beyond me, and certainly beyond the intelligence, political acumen, and comprehension of those legislators favoring and proposing it. Unless they place party ideology above the interest of their states and their constituents.

乐动体育APPAs battleground states, these swing states wield a tremendous political influence in presidential elections, and they would be relinquishing these key positions at the behest of selfish, unwise, faithless, and power-hungry legislators and Democratic operatives, who care more about their party, and themselves personally, than the states they supposedly serve. Since efforts aimed at amending the U.S. Constitution require, not only an Act of Congress but also ratification by 3/4th of the states, that route is probably futile.

乐动体育APPBut the Democratic operatives are undeterred; they are also leading attacks against the EC at the state level, as well as by simple congressional legislation. In 2016, according to NPVIC, there were 162 Democrats and 154 Republicans who sponsored the Compact. It behooves citizens to find out who those legislators are, legislators who are betraying their states and who should be sacked for this betrayal, particularly Republican ones, who should know better. In the case of these stray Republicans, we must ascribe their actions to ignorance or betrayal as RINOS (“Republicans in Name Only”).

乐动体育APPAll these efforts to bypass the Electoral College demonstrate that these faithless Democratic operatives are much more interested in gaining political power by any means, even undemocratic methods, than in preserving our constitutional process of fairness and the rule of law, on which the American republic is based, a form of governance that has brought so much peace and freedom to the world, preserved our own liberty, and that has ushered in the most prosperity and happiness to any people in the history of humanity.

The reality is that the Electoral College process has shown that it has worked as it was intended,乐动体育APP and continues to function well. It has preserved the delicate geographical political balance among the various urban and rural populations of the small and large states of the federal union, and it has urban areas from dominating the process of presidential and vice-presidential elections at the expense of the rest of the nation.

乐动体育APPIn sum, the Electoral College is an essential part of our republican from of government that has preserved the integrity and sanity of the acting with deliberation and wisdom as it was intended by the Founders in our republican form of government. It should be kept in place and cherished!

Written by Dr. Miguel Faria

Miguel A. Faria, Jr., M.D. is Clinical Professor of Surgery (Neurosurgery, ret.) and Adjunct Professor of Medical History (ret.) Mercer University School of Medicine. He is an Associate Editor in Chief and a World Affairs Editor of Surgical Neurology International (SNI). He is the Author of Vandals at the Gates of Medicine (1995); Medical Warrior: Fighting Corporate Socialized Medicine (1997); and Cuba in Revolution: Escape From a Lost Paradise (2002)

This article may be cited as: Faria MA. The Democrats’ unwarranted partisan assault on the Electoral College. kutahyaevdeneve.com, January 19, 2017. Available from: http://www.kutahyaevdeneve.com/articles/democrats%E2%80%99-unwarranted-partisan-assault-electoral-college-miguel-faria-md

This article first appeared in HaciendaPublishing January 19, 2017. Similar but unillustrated versions of this article also appeared in GOPUSA in January 14 & and in the Macon Telegraph January 18, 2017. Republished edited Dec 12, 2018.

See also, "Loving California from a safe distance" also published in the Telegraph (Macon), February 7, 2017.

Copyright ©2019 Miguel A. Faria, Jr., M.D.

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Supreme Court to hear Electoral College case

Supreme Court to hear Electoral College case
乐动体育APP UPI & GOPUSA, January 18, 2019

乐动体育APPThe Supreme Court on Friday agreed to hear a case in which electoral college members seek the right to vote for a presidential candidate who didn’t win the popular vote in their state. The high court will hear two similar cases brought by electors in Colorado and Washington. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton won the popular vote in those two states in 2016, but some electors refused to vote for her.

The plaintiffs said the laws in those states requiring electors to vote along with the popular vote are unconstitutional. In 2016, 10 electors voted against their state’s pledged candidate. Three were invalidated and replaced with electors who complied, and the other seven were officially recorded. As a result, Clinton lost five electoral votes (three to former GOP Secretary of State Colin Powell, one to Democratic candidate Bernie Sanders and one to Democratic South Dakotan activist Faith Spotted Eagle) and Trump lost two (one to Kasich and one to former Texas Rep. Ron Paul).

乐动体育APPFour of the rogue electors belonged to Washington state, two to Texas and one to Hawaii. The invalidated votes belonged to electors in Maine (for Sanders), Minnesota (for Sanders) and Colorado (for John Kasich). In September, a federal appeals court sided with the plaintiff in the Colorado case, Michael Baca. The decision generated concern among state officials and advocates, who fear it gives individual electors all the power — and voters none.

乐动体育APPThe Electoral College system has been a target of numerous activists over the years. Presently, many states have changed or are considering changing how their electoral votes are awarded. A national movement, the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, promotes a coalition of states that have already enacted laws to award their electoral votes to whichever candidate wins the national popular vote — an effort aimed at democratizing the entire process. The compact, however, won’t enter legal force until states representing at least 270 electoral votes — the number needed for a candidate to win — join the coalition. Presently, the compact has states with 196 electoral votes, and needs 74 more. The Supreme Court is expected to rule in the case by June, with plenty of time before the 2020 U.S. presidential election in November.

乐动体育APPDaniel Uria contributed to this report. Copyright 2020 United Press International, Inc. (UPI).

Canada's Conservatives win popular vote, Liberals the election!

The Democratic socialists in the US and the liberal media keep pushing for the abolition of the Electoral College in the US because the Republicans have won several elections in our nation’s history without wining the popular vote. But other more progressive countries, such as Great Britain and Canada, have other methods to avoid mob rule. Yesterday Canada did so, read this excerpt from the BBC:

“Canada election: Trudeau's Liberals win but lose majority,” BBC, October 22,2019

“Justin Trudeau's Liberal Party has retained power in a narrow Canadian election win but he will now be prime minister of a minority government. The Liberals are projected to win 157 seats, 13 short of a majority, and will find it harder to pass legislation in Mr Trudeau's second term. The opposition Conservatives are expected to win the popular vote but have not translated that into seats. They are projected to take 121, up from the 95 they held before.

“… The Conservatives are projected to take 34.4% of the popular vote, compared to the Liberals' 33%. However, the first-past-the-post system - awarding victory to the candidate with most votes in any given constituency - means that has not translated to seats won…”

Read also my article:

A very dangerous thing — elimination of the Electoral College!

乐动体育APPA very dangerous proposition cited in this article, is looming in the political horizon and most Americans are either not aware of it or do not seem to care. This is the conversion of our Republican form of government as written in our Constitution to a social (mass) democracy by eliminating the Electoral College and the power of the states. This would not only eliminate the balance of power between large and small states but between rural areas and urban areas, so that centers of large populations, such as LA, NY, and other large cities in Democratic centers of power, would dominate the country. The response to the article in UPI i and the consequences this will bring about is contained in my article under which this comment is posted.

Democrats: Electoral College must go!

The Democrats continue to call for abolition of the EC, claiming it is undemocratic. Of course they are not happy with it because in our system of federalism where states still have a voice and all the people have a voice, they lose. But this nation was never a Democracy. It was founded and should continue to be a constitutional Republic if we are to keep it !--- MAF

It's Long Overdue: Electoral College Must Go, NEWSER, March 2, 2019

Earlier this week, former Attorney General Eric Holder called for the abolition of the electoral college because it is "undemocratic" and "forces candidates to ignore majority of the voters and campaign in a small number of states." In a New York Times op-ed, columnist Jamelle Bouie echoes all of the above and hopes that Holder's argument becomes a main topic among Democrats running for president.

乐动体育APP"The Electoral College routinely threatens or produces perverse outcomes, where the will of the voters is thwarted by an ill-considered 18th-century electoral device," writes Bouie. "It has no place in a democracy that strives for a standard of 'one person, one vote.'" It's also the reason Donald Trump is president instead of Hillary Clinton, he writes, and the reason Trump might win again in 2020.

Bouie runs through the historical origins of the electoral college, along with the failed attempts to replace it over the years with a system based on popular vote.

乐动体育APPOpponents of the electoral college have nowhere near the support necessary to get an amendment ratified abolishing it, he notes. "The inertia behind the Electoral College is strong, which is why it needs vocal opponents making their case as loudly and often as possible." However, he writes that the movement has, in fact, been gaining ground, with the governor of Colorado promising to join the National Popular Vote interstate compact, and Maine's legislature considering the same move.

Elections, lest we forget...

乐动体育APPIn 2002, the first midterm for George W. Bush, the Republican Party achieved an overall net gain of two seats with victories in Georgia, Minnesota, and Missouri; the Democrats took a seat in Arkansas. The balance of power in the Senate switched from 51-49 Democratic Majority to 51-49 Republican Majority. In the House, Republicans succeeded in expanding their majority by a net gain of 8 seats, resulting in a 229-204 Republican majority.

In 2006, the second midterm for George W. Bush, as recounted by Wikipedia: "The Democrats gained six Senate seats by defeating Republican Senators in the states of Missouri, Montana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island and Virginia. The Democrats secured a 51–49 majority in the Senate (Senator Joe Lieberman of Connecticut and Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont are Independents who would vote with Democrats on caucus issues). The Democrats gained thirty House seats from the Republicans. For the first time since the midterm elections of 1994, the Democratic Party gained control of both houses of the United States Congress."

But these Democratic victories would be dissipated during Obama's tenure in the White House. Let's take a look at President Barack Obama’s midterm elections and Donald Trump victory 2016:

2010: In the first midterm election, the U.S. Senate went from 57 to 51 Democrats and the House from 256 to 193 losing control of the lower house of Congress and retaining control of the Senate by one vote.

2014: In the second midterm election during the Obama administration, the Democrats lost another 9 Senate seats going from 53 to 44 and in the House losing 13 seats from 201 to 188. Incredible drubbing! That was a true red tide!

乐动体育APP2016: Trump won the Presidency with 304 Electoral votes and carrying 30 states; Hillary Clinton got 227 Electoral votes and carrying 20 states and DC.

In the U.S. Senate, Republican lost 2 seats and went from 54 to 52, retaining control of the upper chamber. The Democrats won 2 seats from 44 to 46 (retaining two independents, 48 seats). In the House, Republicans lost 6 seats going from 246 to 241, retaining a significant majority. The Democrats won 6 seats going from 186 to 194. Presently the Senate is GOP 51 to Democrats 49, and the House, 245 to 195. For a minimum "blue wave" to take place, the Democrats need to add two Senate seats (as to make 51) and take 24 new House seats for control in both chambers. Political scientist Larry Sabato of the University of Virginia, who said the blue wave will take place and the only question is how big it will be, has a good chance of ending with egg on his face again!

The situation for 2018 seems more like that during George W. Bush's first midterm election of 2002. The GOP is set to win Senate seats and perhaps retain the House, despite the usual historical disadvantage for the Presidential Party in power. The difference is not only the Kavanaugh confirmation and the willingness to dump the presumption of innocence until proven guilty and the mob mentality of the Democrat Party, but also the energizing vitality of Donald Trump!---MAF

Socialist Ocasio-Cortez: We must eliminate the Electoral College

乐动体育APPSocialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: We must ‘eliminate the Electoral College,’ Washington Times, Oct 9, 2018

乐动体育APPAlexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a Democratic socialist hoping to represent New York’s 14th Congressional District, declared over the weekend that the Electoral College is a racist American relic that must be abolished:

乐动体育APP“It is well past time we eliminate the Electoral College, a shadow of slavery’s power on America today that undermines our nation as a democratic republic,” the 28-year-old Boston University graduate tweeted to her 881,000 followers Saturday afternoon.

Ms. Ocasio-Cortez was commenting on a tweet by GQ magazine’s Julia Ioffe, who complained that the Electoral College has helped conservatives get elected. We are a country where two presidents who both lost the popular vote have now placed four justices on the Supreme Court. Democracy in action.— Julia Ioffe (@juliaioffe) October 5, 2018

Democratic calls to abolish the Electoral College have continued since twice-failed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton won the popular vote but lost the Electoral College in 2016, handing the victory to President Trump. Mrs. Clinton has repeatedly called for eliminating the system, which would require a constitutional amendment. “I think it needs to be eliminated,” she told CNN last month. “I’d like to see us move beyond it, yes.” © Copyright (c) 2018 News World Communications, Inc.

Walter Williams on the Electoral College

乐动体育APPThe Electoral College Debate, Walter E. Williams, GOPUSA, October 17, 2018

… A large part of Americans’ miseducation is the often heard claim that we are a democracy. The word “democracy” appears nowhere in the two most fundamental documents of our nation — the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution. In fact, our Constitution — in Article 4, Section 4 — guarantees “to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government.” The Founding Fathers had utter contempt for democracy. James Madison, in Federalist Paper No. 10, said that in a pure democracy, “there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party or an obnoxious individual.” At the 1787 Constitutional Convention, Virginia Gov. Edmund Randolph said that “in tracing these evils to their origin, every man had found it in the turbulence and follies of democracy.” John Adams wrote: “Remember Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There never was a Democracy Yet, that did not commit suicide.” At the Constitutional Convention, Alexander Hamilton said: “We are now forming a republican government. Real liberty” is found not in “the extremes of democracy but in moderate governments. … If we incline too much to democracy, we shall soon shoot into a monarchy.”

乐动体育APPFor those too dense to understand these arguments, ask yourselves: Does the Pledge of Allegiance say “to the democracy for which it stands” or “to the republic for which it stands”? Did Julia Ward Howe make a mistake in titling her Civil War song “Battle Hymn of the Republic”? Should she have titled it “Battle Hymn of the Democracy”?

乐动体育APPThe Founders saw our nation as being composed of sovereign states that voluntarily sought to join a union under the condition that each state admitted would be coequal with every other state. The Electoral College method of choosing the president and vice president guarantees that each state, whether large or small in area or population, has some voice in selecting the nation’s leaders. Were we to choose the president and vice president under a popular vote, the outcome of presidential races would always be decided by a few highly populated states. They would be states such as California, Texas, Florida, New York, Illinois and Pennsylvania, which contain 134.3 million people, or 41 percent of our population. Presidential candidates could safely ignore the interests of the citizens of Wyoming, Alaska, Vermont, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana and Delaware. Why? They have only 5.58 million Americans, or 1.7 percent of the U.S. population. We would no longer be a government “of the people”; instead, our government would be put in power by and accountable to the leaders and citizens of a few highly populated states… — Walter E. Williams is a professor of economics at George Mason University.

Democrat insists the Electoral College is archaic!

Readers respond. Enjoy these selected comments from this article in GOPUSA January 17-19, 2017, where a Democrat defends the popular vote and derides the Electoral college.

Joy Bradford乐动体育APP: The electoral college was great when it was instituted, but there is no need for it now. I have felt this way whether a Democrat or Republican was running. President Obama won the popular vote both times. Trump didn’t. More people in the United didn’t want Trump to win. Period. So quit defending the electoral college. It is archaic.

乐动体育APPBaifist: To Joy B, you must be a democrat. Do you really want California and New York to pick the president every 4 years?

乐动体育APPJeff613: The EC was designed to prevent a handful of states to decide who would be the President, even if it was the majority of the population. Taken to the extreme, lets say ONE state has a majority of voters — say 50.1%. This would mean that ONE state would in fact control the Presidency, which all States must abide to some degree. Remember what U.S. stands for — United STATES. The States are individual entities, with their own governments. The Federal Government is set up for consistency, but States still maintain their own individuality. For everyone else who GETS IT. Isn’t absolutely amazing the incredible system of safe guards our Found Fathers put together over 200 years ago! What is happening is EXACTLY why they put the EC in place! They knew this could happen! Thank God they also put in safe guards of changing the Constitution. Politicians who want to abolish or try to figure out ways around the EC are in effect trying to subvert the U.S. Constitution! They are going against they first obligation they took an Oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic....

The dove: Joy, did you bother to read the article, or was it too full of facts and logic for you? I’m not being facetious, did you read it?

Joy Bradford: Actually I am a Democrat in Oklahoma. Who cares if a state has 50.1 percent? 50.1 percent voted for a certain president. One vote, for one president, end of story. I am well versed in regard to the electoral college and it is out dated. If Hillary Clinton didn’t win the popular vote but won the college the GOP would have a S-fit and you know it. For the last time, the electoral college is no longer needed. More people DIDN’T vote for Trump. You can’t deny that. Trump is obnoxious. I hope the GOP finds there way back to sanity.

Ituser: [Joy: How can we tell our children that your vote counts if a president won the popular vote but does not become president. Ridiculous!]

乐动体育APPAnd how is it any less ridiculous to tell our kids “Your vote counts” when 4 whole cities control the ENTIRE state of CA, 2 cities control the entire state of NY?? If you live in Ca and are NOT in one of those cities, your vote certainly doesn’t count....

乐动体育APPGrimm Reaper: This is obvious that nobody will be able to break through the ideological myopia that is part of the left’s psyche. It is hardly archaic. You would understand this if you understood your history – Rome, Greece, Germany, Russia, France. Our US Constitution is pretty brilliant....

Joy Bradford: More Americans voted for Hillary Clinton than any other losing president in US history. She had 2.9 million more votes. To: The dove – when your state has votes for mayors, congress reps, governors, etc. the popular vote wins. There might be a vote coming from a farmer out in the boonies and then the vote that comes in from the city. Oh, President Obama won the popular vote both times. Just so you know. There is absolutely no reason for the electoral college. Again, if Hillary Clinton lost the popular vote but won the Electoral vote we wouldn’t be chatting here because this article wouldn’t be here. Instead there would be an article on how to get rid of the electoral college. You know it and I know it.

乐动体育APPThe dove: [Joy: ”There is absolutely no reason for the electoral college.”]

This is incorrectly stated. Stated correctly, you would have said, "Since my candidate lost, I see absolutely no reason for the electoral college.” At least be honest about it. And, since you have taken it upon yourself to tell us how we would feel if the situation were reversed, allow me the same courtesy: If the situation were reversed, you’d be saying, “Thank God for the Electoral College.”
There is in fact a real need for it; preventing the more populated areas of the country from negating the wishes of a majority of states. You’re telling the farmers and ranchers of the country who put the tofu on your table their opinion doesn’t count. The EC says it damned sure does count.

乐动体育APPSpaceswimmer: this is the number that has been reported, but do I believe it? no. Given that the majority democrat states refuse to do common sense things like enforce voter ID and purge voter registration rolls, believing in an intentional miscounting of 2% is not irrational. Especially as every recount showed more republican votes were not counted than democrat votes.

As has been proven every time pure democracy has been tried, it is always a complete failure. Athenian democracy only lasted 2 generations. Pure Democracies vote themselves into the poor house. Even with the constraints of our constitution, Urban populations would vote themselves into starvation – Just look at what many of the urbanites say about water in California (“since only 3% of the California economy is agriculture, it is immoral that agriculture consumes 80% of the water, so send more to the cities and let the farms dry up”). No concern that California provides a large portion of the country’s food supply. Because most city dwellers don’t know or care that food comes from farms – they feel it is created in the supermarket.

GrimmReaper: Joy, you are the weakest link, no wonder your party has imploded. Keep living in denial: 2.9 mill from 4 CA counties – right, and there is no such thing as voter fraud – right, and why did Michigan stop the recount? Another right-wing conspiracy? Nothing fake about!
乐动体育APP Oh, really, the media isn’t colluding with the Dems? So all the emails (written by Dems and “journalists” from Podesta, Clinton, and the DNC are not true? Really? Then only the snowflakes are calling it fake – and politicos are using their talents of deflection by way of other “news” to not answer to it. The meaning of a free press is to be free from state interference and influence – both MSM and the Dem party and those politicians are in direct violation of the Constitution on this point! You are an ideologue of the Socialism you extol.

I laugh!

乐动体育APPThe left claims they have been outraged ever since this happened before in 2000 when Gore won the popular vote and Bush became president. I honestly don't remember the electoral college being the issue for them. It was the recount of votes that they felt would give Gore the presidency. Indirectly, that of course is an electoral college issue, but if so, then you could say everything is.

乐动体育APPLet's give them the benefit of the doubt and say they did protest the electoral college in 2000. If we do, then we have to wonder why, in 16 years, they did not do a thing about it.

Not that I wanted them to or that I even think they could have, but there was nary a peep or riot over it from them until Trump won in November. The reason is that they really didn't have any issue with it, as Obama won two terms with the popular vote and they were 100% sure Hillary was going to take the presidency with both the popular and electoral vote.

She didn't, they went into shock, and NOW it becomes an issue.

ARB